The LDS Linux Project

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Postby marianomarini » Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:17 am

unless the church wants to pay for and hire a team to be Stake Technology
I don't think that the Church has to PAY or HIDE Linux specialists. I was clerk, Branch President, Teacher, eccetera, without having being payed or Hide by the Church.
I still serve as Building Specialist for free and I can serve in the same way as Stake Linux Specialist.
It seem to me that having Linux into Church Pc will prevent several "abuse" of it. If you don't install a package manager no one can install unwilled software. (Save through :/Configure - Make - Make install procedure.
And even if they know how, they don't know root password, so they can install them only at user level (if it's whorth of). So you can know Who installed What!
I don't think that Church Pc are hw update every week, if something doesn't work it will be replaces with an approved piece, so .. no matter at all.
Linux is not ready for Desktop? I install it for my 8 year old nephew and He was able to use it in a 10 minutes. Access internet, lanch programs, games, switch on and off. What need more in a Church Pc?
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Postby aebrown » Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:36 am

marianomarini wrote:I don't think that the Church has to PAY or HIDE Linux specialists. I was clerk, Branch President, Teacher, eccetera, without having being payed or Hide by the Church.


I think the point is that it's easy to find stake technology specialists who can administer Windows-based systems. Capable Linux specialists are much harder to find, so if the Church were to standardize on Linux for desktops, they might not be able to find local members to administer those systems and thus might have to hire people to do so.

But this is just another rehashing of a topic that is going nowhere. The Church has decided that clerk PCs will run Windows. We can make all the assumptions we want as to why that is, and we can give our personal opinions as to what the Church should do, but ultimately it's not our decision to make. We should probably leave it at that.
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Postby rmrichesjr » Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:32 pm

aebrown wrote:I think the point is that it's easy to find stake technology specialists who can administer Windows-based systems. Capable Linux specialists are much harder to find, so if the Church were to standardize on Linux for desktops, they might not be able to find local members to administer those systems and thus might have to hire people to do so.

But this is just another rehashing of a topic that is going nowhere. The Church has decided that clerk PCs will run Windows. We can make all the assumptions we want as to why that is, and we can give our personal opinions as to what the Church should do, but ultimately it's not our decision to make. We should probably leave it at that.


Points in reverse order:

Yes, whatever our individual opinions might be, those who have the stewardship to make the decision about what OS clerk PCs run are the ones who make the decision. It is better for those of us who like Linux to accept the decision as it stands and quietly increase our skills in all areas so when/if the day comes that the decision changes, we will be ready to raise our hands to answer the question of who knows Linux well enough to administer the machines.

Independent of that, I think there is often a significant underestimation of the number of people who are both capable of administering Linux and who are trustworthy and willing and etc. There were at least four I was aware of in my previous ward--one being the stake clerk when I moved away. Even in my current stake in rural Yamhill County, Oregon, there are at least a few in the stake who would be able to do the job.

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Postby johnshaw » Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:16 pm

Personally, I don't see either Windows or Linux as we currently think of them as the next supported platform, the desktop/mobile/app environment is transforming rapidly. Next Gen will likely be some kind of Android, Chrome, IOS device..... Just my own Opinion, I'm glad there is a push to move everything online... consumers can choose their preferred application platform, and run everything there. Linux, just never surfaced as a viable Desktop platform, and it's really too bad.

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Postby rmrichesjr » Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:51 pm

JohnShaw wrote:Personally, I don't see either Windows or Linux as we currently think of them as the next supported platform, the desktop/mobile/app environment is transforming rapidly. Next Gen will likely be some kind of Android, Chrome, IOS device..... Just my own Opinion, I'm glad there is a push to move everything online... consumers can choose their preferred application platform, and run everything there. Linux, just never surfaced as a viable Desktop platform, and it's really too bad.


Just for the record, please be aware that Android and Chrome are Linux-based. It's in the first line of each of these articles:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_%28operating_system%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome_OS

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Postby marianomarini » Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:10 am

consumers can choose their preferred application platform, ...

Yes, consumers can do, but I don't think that church pc will have different OS.
I agree that this are just free words because this kind of decisions pertain to the Brethren. We are speaking about OS not about what CHQ must do!
My dream is have an OS mantained by members to grant a secure and church certified system!
I suppose that dreams are still allow, isn't? :)
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Re: The LDS Linux Project

Postby richardsontb » Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:09 am

Chrome and Safari are both based on WebKit. Apple took the KDE html engine and created WebKit. The KDE license is LGPL. That is why Google was able to take WebKit, start the Chromium project, and create Chrome. Both Chrome and Firefox (based on the old Netscape code) are both working hard on HTML5. HTML5 is one of many technologies that may be important in the future.

I think that it is important to clarify what "Linux" is. Linux itself is what is called a kernal. Linus Torvalds created and maintains it. A kernal is much like "command.com" was in DOS. To use DOS, you also needed additional programs. In the case of DOS, these additional programs were written by the same company that wrote the kernal. In the case of Linux, these additional programs are written by many, many other organizations, each with their own agenda. WebOS, Android OS, Chrome OS, Firefox OS and many other OS's use the Linux kernal. The Android OS is as "mainstream" as Microsoft's and Apple's are. If you look on this forum, the Church is working hard to create apps for Android.

In conclusion, I would like to argue that Linux has arrived, and it is represented by a little green robot called Android.

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Re: The LDS Linux Project

Postby marianomarini » Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:50 am

RichardsonTB wrote:In conclusion, I would like to argue that Linux has arrived, and it is represented by a little green robot called Android.

Agree. But still remain the problem of who mange it.
Proprietary soft give no assurance of clear and secure policy.
Open Source give more guarantee being manage by many poeple. But can we assume that this will be so here and after?
Maybe we can think to a certain certification? Saying, an LDS certifying body that looks at the source and garantee it's safe and worthy or have we rely on the "gentile" grants?

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Re: The LDS Linux Project

Postby richardsontb » Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:02 am

Mariano Marini wrote that what is needed is...
...an LDS certifying body that looks at the source and garantee it's safe...
Why don't you and I do it? We are LDS. Together we make a body/quorum...

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Re: The LDS Linux Project

Postby marianomarini » Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:40 pm

RichardsonTB wrote:Why don't you and I do it? We are LDS. Together we make a body/quorum...

Why not? Checking hundred thousands lines of source will be a great challenge, more or less like cross the prairie with an hand cart, but we can short the travel assuming that think are good today and look only to the next changes!


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