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Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 7:57 pm
by PNMarkW2
RussellHltn wrote:That could be a challenge. Age is not a good predictor of who is Youth and who is in Elders/Relief Society.


And given the number of smart phones and other wireless internet enabled devices carried by members of all ages, an age restriction is just so much security theater, it doesn't really accomplish anything of value. Our deacons quorum president has more access to the internet on his phone then I do in the clerks office, so if he has a reason to use the building wifi, I have no problem giving him the password.

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 6:17 pm
by obrientd
Speaking on Behalf of Many FM's. We have had NO instruction to put wireless in all meeting houses. Many meeting houses previeously had internet with the old Cisco Pix box and the Cisco ASA firewalls. We have been told Not to change all of these units. The new 881 work with Wireless and with the 1041 access points added to the buildings there can be wireless through out the buildings but this is only for buildings with the new 881 firewall.

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 8:48 am
by johnshaw
obrientd wrote:Speaking on Behalf of Many FM's. We have had NO instruction to put wireless in all meeting houses. Many meeting houses previeously had internet with the old Cisco Pix box and the Cisco ASA firewalls. We have been told Not to change all of these units. The new 881 work with Wireless and with the 1041 access points added to the buildings there can be wireless through out the buildings but this is only for buildings with the new 881 firewall.


Let me ask a clarifying question... do you mean your Regional FM office has sent no instructions... I believe this can vary from Region to Region, just through observation.....

So I would restate what you've said here as:

Current Buildings that received the PIX (or potentially a ASA 5505 if equipment was replaced) and Cisco 12xx Wireless (usually for a FHC) are not to be replaced with the Cisco 881W and the Cisco 1041N.
Current Buildings that added Meetinghouse Internet prior to the Cisco 881W being available and have an ASA 5505 are not to be replaced with the Cisco 881W and the Cisco 1041N
Current Buildings that do not have Meetinghouse internet are to start installing the Cisco 881W and Cisco 1041N - in all buildings

this still isn't clear and leaves me wondering about the middle category... do i still need to order Cisco gear for all my buildings? Help?

Has anyone tried to put the 1041N with a ASA 5505 - I don't think the 881W is acting as a controller, so I think the 1041N should be viable with the ASA 5505....


This should be clarified for all

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 9:28 am
by russellhltn
JohnShaw wrote:So I would restate what you've said here as:

Current Buildings that received the PIX (or potentially a ASA 5505 if equipment was replaced) and Cisco 12xx Wireless (usually for a FHC) are not to be replaced with the Cisco 881W and the Cisco 1041N.
Current Buildings that added Meetinghouse Internet prior to the Cisco 881W being available and have an ASA 5505 are not to be replaced with the Cisco 881W and the Cisco 1041N
Current Buildings that do not have Meetinghouse internet are to start installing the Cisco 881W and Cisco 1041N - in all buildings

this still isn't clear and leaves me wondering about the middle category... do i still need to order Cisco gear for all my buildings? Help?


What middle catagory?


JohnShaw wrote:Has anyone tried to put the 1041N with a ASA 5505 - I don't think the 881W is acting as a controller, so I think the 1041N should be viable with the ASA 5505....


As I understand it, the 1041N will work fine with any and all firewalls. The only issue is that you may need a power injector as not all firewalls supply power on the ethernet port.

Another problem is that the PIX 501 by default only supported 10 Internet users. Unless that was expanded to 50, I'm not sure as I'd install wireless as you'd quickly run out of users.

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 6:43 am
by johnshaw
The ASA 5505 does have 2 ports, POE ports, that will power Wireless Access Points without the power injectors... anything more than that will require an injector or power outlet located close to the WAP.

My thoughts then are this:
  • If I have a PIX... most likely I already have the Cisco 12xx series Wireless Access Points... so the buildings have wireless (need to investigate having more than 10 connections)
  • If I have an ASA 5505 - for Wireless install I would order Cisco 1041N.... I can use 2 of the ports to power the 1041's - more than 2 would require an injector - might also require GSD to install the 1041N
  • If I have an 881W, the firewall already comes with Wireless, and additional 1041N REQUIRE injectors, and when plugged in configure themselves automatically without need to call the GSD


Does this cover all scenarios? I guess the last question is... if I implemented any kind of non-cisco wireless... does the church want us to replace that with the Cisco 1041N's?

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 12:17 pm
by jdlessley
JohnShaw wrote:lI guess the last question is... if I implemented any kind of non-cisco wireless... does the church want us to replace that with the Cisco 1041N's?
That information is addressed in the wiki article Wireless networking (meetinghouse) in the section Older 802.11 solutions. Briefly the answer is no, it is not necessary.

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 12:45 pm
by johnshaw
Either I missed that, or it has been added since I visited... or I didn't pay close attention... that could well be true. That link does answer all the questions and scenarios listed above. Thanks for pointing that out.... Now to get FM to read it :)

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 1:13 pm
by aebrown
JohnShaw wrote:Either I missed that, or it has been added since I visited... or I didn't pay close attention... that could well be true.


That section was added on 8 April 2011.

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 4:53 am
by johnshaw
Well... I'm remembering quite clearly now that I must have read it in March of 2011 :)