The Earl wrote:I am of the opinion that most of the FS Wiki stuff needs to be on the FS Wiki. I would hope that after a bit of startup noise, the forum will settle down, and the Wiki pages will take the brunt of the traffic.
I worry that starting a new forum now just for the wiki will add another place for people to go, and end up abandon when the wiki pulls the information in.
Yes. And as far as putting the wiki stuff on the wiki, we're moving to do that, but not entirely the way you and I have discussed in the past, Earl. We've gotten feedback from genealogist authors on the wiki that they don't contribute to the best practices discussions on this forum for the following reasons:
- This site is named "LDS Tech Forums." Genealogists don't feel welcome in a forum that seems to be titled for engineers.
- To contribute to this forum, people need to create a new account that's separate from their wiki account. These folks just want to leave quick feedback, not go through another registration process.
- Once users have registered here -- and even after they have confirmed their registration through their e-mail -- there seems to be a lag time in which they can't post to the forum. So by the time they are able to post, they've forgotten the issue they were going to report.
- Since LDS Tech forums tend to attract engineers, the threads in even this forum about Wiki.FamilySearch.org are often so technical that a genealogist looking at them says to themselves, "This isn't the place for people like me."
- Non-LDS contributors to wiki.familysearch.org who see the name of this system -- "LDS Tech Forums" -- don't feel welcome here.
For all these reasons, we're testing a few forums apps and MediaWiki plugins in order to move the site of our forum(s) to operate within a frame of the wiki itself. That will allow us to pursue our own title, branding/skinning, single sign on, and fix all the issues listed above.
All of this won't solve the problem you and I have discussed before -- the problem of when to discuss issues in a forum and when to discuss them on a wiki page -- but at least we can smudge the line between the wiki and the forum a bit and lift the barriers preventing genealogists from leaving feedback and taking part in the discussions on data organization, naming standards, and other best practices.