LDS Tools Permissions Stake Clerk vs lowly bishopric member

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Re: LDS Tools Permissions Stake Clerk vs lowly bishopric mem

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We noticed as we were training our stake high council, that their access rights are not listed in the access table. It seems that there was not consistency in what they were able to see. Is there anywhere where we can see their access?
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rchiles wrote:We noticed as we were training our stake high council, that their access rights are not listed in the access table. It seems that there was not consistency in what they were able to see. Is there anywhere where we can see their access?
As far as I know, high council members are not granted any special rights for any online systems or in LDS Tools. In certain applications (like the Calendar) rights could be granted to them by calling but the same is true of any standard calling.
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Re: LDS Tools Permissions Stake Clerk vs lowly bishopric mem

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So, rather than start a new thread, my question falls along these lines.

Our Relief Society president asked me why she doesn't have more in-depth access on LDS Tools. She has to go to MLS for most of what she needs. If I look at who is running our wards, it's the Bishop and the RS president :). It seems reasonable that she would have elevated access. While not clergy, she is certainly in an ecclesiastical role.

Anyone know if that has been talked about?
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Re: LDS Tools Permissions Stake Clerk vs lowly bishopric mem

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dotson98 wrote:So, rather than start a new thread, my question falls along these lines.

Our Relief Society president asked me why she doesn't have more in-depth access on LDS Tools. She has to go to MLS for most of what she needs. If I look at who is running our wards, it's the Bishop and the RS president :). It seems reasonable that she would have elevated access. While not clergy, she is certainly in an ecclesiastical role.

Anyone know if that has been talked about?
Decisions on who has access to what information is made by the general authorities in the Priesthood Department in consultation with the legal department (to comply with privacy laws). I doubt anyone on these forums really knows what they have considered.

Just looking at the results it looks like higher access is restricted to those who have responsibility for maintaining the records of the church, e.g. primarily clerks and the bishop at the ward level. Bishopric councilors do have additional access but not as much as clerks or the bishop. Their expanded access may possibly be attributed to their authority to issue temple recommends, another record, or their responsibility for handling donations. This is just speculation on my part though.
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Re: LDS Tools Permissions Stake Clerk vs lowly bishopric mem

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dotson98 wrote:So, rather than start a new thread, my question falls along these lines.

Our Relief Society president asked me why she doesn't have more in-depth access on LDS Tools. She has to go to MLS for most of what she needs. If I look at who is running our wards, it's the Bishop and the RS president :). It seems reasonable that she would have elevated access. While not clergy, she is certainly in an ecclesiastical role.

Anyone know if that has been talked about?
With the exception of looking up someone in a directory or printing out a class roll there is nothing in clerk resources that an RS President could use.
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Re: LDS Tools Permissions Stake Clerk vs lowly bishopric mem

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I to am interested in this topic.

I currently server in the following area's

Stake Assistant Clerk as the Stake Technology Specialist.

3 weeks ago I was called as the HP group leader in my local unit.

When I was first called as the stake tech i seem to have better privileges than I do now. Well really all I could seem to to was view all the ward lists in all the units which was about all i need. A while ago that changed to only being able to see those members that seem to have opted in to online directory. even for those who have said yes some have no published there phone numbers etc.

Even now that I am listed as the HP group leader i still can't see the full ward list on lds.org via tools or the lds tools app.

Surely as the HP group they should be able to give me the full ward list as i can access this directly on the MLS PC but that means going to the chapel. Also l=things like temple age members. I used to have this via LDS.org when i was a ward clerk.

I checked the leader.lds.org page but i can't seem the access table i guess i don't have permission.

Any info on what i should be able to get to and see would be great.


Thanks for the help
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Re: LDS Tools Permissions Stake Clerk vs lowly bishopric mem

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sphester wrote:3 weeks ago I was called as the HP group leader in my local unit.
There are no special privileges for organization leaders yet in any online applications or in LDS Tools. Only stake leaders (presidency, exec sec, clerks) and ward leaders (presidency, exec sec, clerks) have extended permissions.
sphester wrote:A while ago that changed to only being able to see those members that seem to have opted in to online directory.
This is normal. The change in calling from an assistant stake clerk with special permissions to a HPGL with no special permissions became effective. In most European countries members must opt in for the general membership to view their profiles. Only the select leadership mentioned above can view all member profile information for members who have not opted in.
sphester wrote:Even now that I am listed as the HP group leader i still can't see the full ward list on lds.org via tools or the lds tools app.
This is as programmed and in line with country privacy laws. The HPGL has no special permissions.
sphester wrote:Surely as the HP group they should be able to give me the full ward list as i can access this directly on the MLS PC but that means going to the chapel.
Access in MLS is controlled locally by the bishop. Access online and in LDS Tools is controlled by headquarters. We have been told that online access in Leader and Clerk Resources is coming to unit organization leaders. Just when, and what levels and to what information this will entail, is not known.
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Re: LDS Tools Permissions Stake Clerk vs lowly bishopric mem

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Would my stake assistant clerk calling not give me the same access rights as a stake clerk. Or do they now have an official calling for stake techs that omits these privledges.

I can live with out just want to check it's right. The only other useful side is so I can help with technical training which is hard when you only have the limited view.
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sphester wrote:When I was first called as the stake tech i seem to have better privileges than I do now.
That is true of all STS. There was a time when the directory gave us higher permissions. That included seeing MRN, seeing youth in other wards, and I think some edit ability. But then came the big crackdown and it went away. Probably because someone decided too many people had access to MRNs and it was easier to remove privileges than to reprogram that specific feature.

I'm not sure about being able to see people who have elected to switch their profile to "leadership only", but it's possible that was also lost.

At this point, I don't know as a STS has any extra privileges over the directory that regular members do not.
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Re: LDS Tools Permissions Stake Clerk vs lowly bishopric mem

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sphester wrote:Would my stake assistant clerk calling not give me the same access rights as a stake clerk.
I don't know whether the stake clerk and assistant stake clerks have the same rights. But if they are similar to the ward clerk and assistant ward clerk there are more rights for the clerk than for the assistant clerks. Those additional rights in are small, but there are differences.
sphester wrote:Or do they now have an official calling for stake techs that omits these privledges.
For the Leader and Clerk Resources the stake assistant clerk - technology specialist is not even listed as having rights there. So unless the STS is also listed in MLS as an Stake Assistant Clerk he would not have membership rights. I know from other threads on the topic of access for an STS that they have no access to Clerk Resources but they do have access to Leader Resources. But I do not know what they can access on Leader Resources.

Perhaps someone with the STS calling who is familiar with their access rights online and in LDS Tools can provide some confirmation or clarification about the rights they have or do not have.
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