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"Mid-singles"

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 9:23 pm
by russellhltn
[Moderator note: This topic was split off from the New Handbook Coming? topic, since it deals with a separate issue.]

sbradshaw wrote:Some examples of changes off the top of my head since 2010: policies relating to "mid-singles"

There was? I don't think the Handbook ever covered that - that was always a "local" creation.

Re: "Mid-singles"

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 9:27 pm
by lajackson
russellhltn wrote:There was?

Yes. They are not called "mid-singles". They are referred to as single adults from age 31 to 45.

Re: "Mid-singles"

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 9:43 pm
by russellhltn
lajackson wrote:Yes. They are not called "mid-singles". They are referred to as single adults from age 31 to 45.


Yes, the SA wards got capped at 45. There was weeping and waling and gnashing of teeth I could hear even from over here.

"Mid-single" is usually a group in the 27-45 age range. Too old to feel at home with the typical YSA, but too young to what to hang out with the widows and widowers in the SA.

Re: "Mid-singles"

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 9:52 am
by lajackson
russellhltn wrote:"Mid-single" is usually a group in the 27-45 age range.

Not around here. We have struggled mightily to follow the guidance in the Handbook that identifies age 30 as the transition point from Young Single Adults to Single Adults.

I am well aware that in some areas a younger age is used. Priesthood leaders in our area have been careful to follow the requirements of the Handbook. The guidelines for establishing a Single Adult ward allow those 31-45 to participate. It is good to see this defined officially.

Re: "Mid-singles"

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 10:03 am
by russellhltn
lajackson wrote:We have struggled mightily to follow the guidance in the Handbook that identifies age 30 as the transition point from Young Single Adults to Single Adults.

Just as long as a 30 yo is allowed to say in YSA. ;) I've heard of cases where people have been kicked out of YSA on their 30th birthday.

Regardless of what age is used, there's always a problem when one's friends are split between two age groups. I think the mid-singles was some leaders response to that.

Re: "Mid-singles"

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 10:11 am
by lajackson
russellhltn wrote:Just as long as a 30 yo is allowed to say in YSA. ;) I've heard of cases where people have been kicked out of YSA on their 30th birthday.

Yes, although I am not quite sure what magically happens at midnight on the last day that a young single adult is 30 and becomes 31.

But we have taken to calling the 31-45 group the "Mid-Singles" group, and once that became the conventional definition in this area, a lot of conflicts went away.

Perhaps in new revisions to the Handbook this area will be better defined. It is the greatest challenge I face in the responsibilities associated with my current calling in the Church.

Alas, that discussion would necessitate the creation of a new topic.

Re: "Mid-singles"

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:19 pm
by russellhltn
lajackson wrote:But we have taken to calling the 31-45 group the "Mid-Singles" group, and once that became the conventional definition in this area, a lot of conflicts went away.

That's good. It's just that I think in some parts of the church (like California and Utah), "mid-singles" straddle the both YSA and SA groups. So you may run into confusion when talking to people outside your area.

Re: "Mid-singles"

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:07 pm
by sbradshaw
I think "mid-singles" exists (outside of the handbook) because nobody approaching a certain age wants "young" taken out of their classification leaving an empty hole. "Mid" eases them in.

Re: "Mid-singles"

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:17 pm
by russellhltn
sbradshaw wrote:I think "mid-singles" exists (outside of the handbook) because nobody approaching a certain age wants "young" taken out of their classification leaving an empty hole. "Mid" eases them in.

I don't think it's the title as much as the fact that singles in their upper 20's with a career has more in common with the 30 somethings than the just-turned 20 who are still in school. And there's always been a problem when a core group of friends ("clique" has a negative connotation) start crossing the YSA/SA line and can no longer attend the same events. I see the mids as a way of softening that hard border.

I don't think the prior handbooks forbid the mixing between groups. Our stake had a policy that all singles were welcome to both YSA and SA, so we didn't have the problem with that hard border. People came if they were comfortable with that group. We didn't card anyone.

Re: "Mid-singles"

Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2015 3:40 pm
by lajackson
russellhltn wrote:I don't think the prior handbooks forbid the mixing between groups. Our stake had a policy that all singles were welcome to both YSA and SA, so we didn't have the problem with that hard border. People came if they were comfortable with that group. We didn't card anyone.

We don't card them either. But we read the Handbook to be a little more clear that there is a difference between the two groups, starting with the separate committees and the separate instructions for each of the two groups. On careful reading, there are some subtle but clear differences between the Single Adults and the Young Single Adults and their organizational structure.

Nevertheless, local leaders do receive inspiration, and there are plenty of areas where the Handbook is not clear. Leaders see things differently in different areas of the world.