unixguy wrote:The only downside is not always knowing in advance what calling the stake representative will have, to put on the form.
You mean who will be doing the actual ordination in advance?
RussellHltn wrote::confused: You mean who will be doing the actual ordination in advance?
unixguy wrote:No, when you fill out the certificate, there's a blank field labeled "calling of the Stake representative" (or something like that). If it's a member of the HC who is there, then we fill in "High Councillor". if it's a member of the Stake Presidency, then we put their calling into the field. (Hmm, wonder if the form handles the situation properly where the Stake President is there, so there isn't any other stake representative. Two signatures from the Stake Pres?)
wasatchpowder wrote:I consider the most important aspect of the MPH ordination is that it be recorded.
If it's not recorded then it is as if the ordination never took place.
Therefore, it is our responsibility as stake clerks to facilitate this action as efficiently as we can.
Whatever procedure is implemented in your stake, it should accomplish three things. The member is properly ordained, the ordination properly recorded and a certificate is delivered to the member in a timely fashion.
The procedure I choose to use that has worked well in my stake follows.
We continue to use the two part pre-printed MPH ordination forms that contain the member information on the top half and the certificate on the bottom half.
The bishop interviews the prospective elder, fills out the upper portion of the form, and signs it.
He then sends the form to the stake president.
The stake president interviews, completes the top portion and signs the certificate.
The stake president gives me the form, which now contains the information regarding when the ordination will take place and who will be performing the ordination. Plus, he informs me who will officiate.
I print up the certificate on my laser printer via a C++ program that I wrote that properly formats output on the form.
I give the completed form to the high councilor, he officiates the ordination, and hands the completed certificate to the member. He leaves the yellow copy of the form/certificate with the ward clerk.
I email the ward clerk to make sure that he is aware the ordination took place just in case the yellow copy does not get left with the clerk.
I do not use the certificate printing option in MLS because I regard the certificates created in MLS to look less than steller and do not magnify the importance of the ordination. Just personal preference. All of my ward clerks use my program for printing blessings, baptisms, and APH ordinations.
The key for me is that it is a lot easier to have the certificate printed and available before the ordination than to try and reconstruct everything after the fact.
Jimmer wrote:One thing that we really shouldn't forget is that while the certificates are not very flashy in MLS, they are a standard certificate that has an "authorized" church logo on it. It also is the only valid certificte that we are able to use should we ever need to prove our priesthood for something like an out of town ordination, or in the case where your ordination was recorded improperly or not at all.
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