mkmurray wrote:I just don't understand why you think that module must be designed by Church developers. The design according to Tom Valletta is for this new App to be the sole owner of Church-hosted HT/VT data. I don't understand why MLS Web has anything to do with that (it could just use the service we provide if they were ever to be integrated); but now that you have agreed it appears it's just a idea right now, what else is holding you back?
My reservations about the Administrative screens pertain mostly to the front-end functionality of the web application. Those reservations are explored in the Wiki here
, particularly in my colloquy with the participant eblood
. Those reservations are mostly about managing a forked roadmap for future development of MLS and this new "Community-owned" web application, which problems we can expect to have for quite a long time because there really is no "MLS Web" coming soon to reintegrate everything.
The issue Tom Valletta is discussing pertains primarliy to the back end. (As he quite sensibly points out, it is not a good idea to build a lot of business rules and functionality into the back end, which is mostly for storing, moving and serving data.) The back-end integration matters being discussed, as I understand them, relate primarily to the other issues of integrating the HT/VT data by pushing it back to MLS for local reporting. I basically have faith that the back-end service he describes could provide a framework for that, but obviously that only solves part of the problem. The MLS system still has to hook into this service, and the relevant managers do not seem to be signed up to that goal.
mkmurray wrote:I think the answer is that you are worried MLS will never hookup to our provided service, correct? If so, there is certainly a chance that might happen. I don't think it's likely if we show we can design like no one's business.
I hate to sound cynical, but all my instincts here are flashing danger. I have seen several major IT projects in the private and public sectors that have utterly failed. The common thread in those projects has not been technical failure, but management issues. When there are unresolved management issues at the outset of a project, and senior managers or customer sponsors have not marshalled the will and the resources for everything to succeed in the end, that is a serious warning signal. Edit
: I just read TomW's fresh comment above, and respectfully I don't see any reason to alter my opinion yet. The discussion on the Wiki has already moved beyond the hgh-level goals he and Chad articulated at the outset. I think we have identifed some concrete problems with a lack of integration, but still lack a plan for concrete solutions.
On one of these bullet points, I don't think anyone on the Wiki is currently proposing uploading
information from the distriibuted MLS deskstop systems. We have been discussing pushing at least some HT/VT data back down to MLS.