Recording releases and new callings...

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Re: Recording releases and new callings...

Postby russellhltn » Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:21 pm

johnshaw wrote:Wouldn't it be nice to have some kind of a workflow app that we could record everything in. Simple, Calling entered in... assigned to Bishopric, 1st or 2nd, release extended to current calling occupant, sustained, set apart --> THEN entered into MLS automatically


I think it's a good idea, but it implies that one workflow works for everyone. This could easily turn into a "be careful what you wish for" situation.
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Re: Recording releases and new callings...

Postby sbradshaw » Mon Mar 24, 2014 2:37 pm

RossEvans wrote:In my opinion callings are "membership related" because MLS membership data includes this information. That does not necessarily apply to everything else that occurs in Sacrament Meeting, such as speakers.

Taken to an extreme, even the names of members, such as in a list of speakers, could be considered membership data. :)

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Re: Recording releases and new callings...

Postby RossEvans » Mon Mar 24, 2014 2:47 pm

sbradshaw wrote:
RossEvans wrote:In my opinion callings are "membership related" because MLS membership data includes this information. That does not necessarily apply to everything else that occurs in Sacrament Meeting, such as speakers.

Taken to an extreme, even the names of members, such as in a list of speakers, could be considered membership data. :)


I am not inclined to take it "to an extreme," and prefer to hew to the letter of the policy. But as I said above, my opinion is not authoritative. If you need an authoritative answer to that hypothetical question in your stake, ask your stake president.

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Re: Recording releases and new callings...

Postby jonesrk » Tue Mar 25, 2014 11:20 am

russellhltn wrote:
johnshaw wrote:Wouldn't it be nice to have some kind of a workflow app that we could record everything in. Simple, Calling entered in... assigned to Bishopric, 1st or 2nd, release extended to current calling occupant, sustained, set apart --> THEN entered into MLS automatically


I think it's a good idea, but it implies that one workflow works for everyone. This could easily turn into a "be careful what you wish for" situation.


Once a calling is 'approved' by the bishopric it seems like the remaining information is
    person responsible to issue the call
    flag or date for call extended
    maybe a flag for call accepted
    link to any callings to be released
You would want some way to prepare lists from this
    calls each person is assigned to extend
    calls/releases ready for sustaining
and a simple way to say they were sustained and have that become the official calling in CDOL. The setting apart would need to be recorded after that.

Ideas on other data that would be useful in this process?

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Re: Recording releases and new callings...

Postby aebrown » Tue Mar 25, 2014 11:43 am

jonesrk wrote:Ideas on other data that would be useful in this process?

As JohnShaw mentioned, the release needs to be extended to someone (if someone has the calling currently), which implies a person being assigned to extend the release, and a workflow step to record that it was done. You may have intended to imply all this by "link to any callings to be released," but I thought I'd make it explicit.

Also, for stake callings, the bishop needs to be consulted.

Also, for priesthood ordinations, there is a workflow as well. I'm not trying to goldplate the requirements here, but if someone is starting to think about this, it might be good to envision a design general enough to handle AP ordinations at the ward level, and MP ordinations at the stake level (which is quite different).

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Re: Recording releases and new callings...

Postby drepouille » Tue Mar 25, 2014 12:36 pm

aebrown wrote:it might be good to envision a design general enough to handle AP ordinations at the ward level, and MP ordinations at the stake level (which is quite different).


Agreed. It is already confusing enough that the MP ordination record instructs the bearer to give the completed form to the ward clerk, when the stake clerk has an equal need to receive a copy of the completed form. This ambiguity consistently trips up new high councilors, who think their responsibility is finished when they hand the completed form to the ward clerk.
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