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Postby RossEvans » Thu Dec 03, 2009 3:01 pm

Alan_Brown wrote:It doesn't have to require database skills if you're just interested in household data, without mixing in individual data from variable numbers of household members.

Just create a custom report ...


I was assuming that for a directory he also wanted phone information for the household and individual phone information for the adults, at least. Is that available in the new custom reports?

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Postby aebrown » Thu Dec 03, 2009 3:22 pm

boomerbubba wrote:I was assuming that for a directory he also wanted phone information for the household and individual phone information for the adults, at least.


Since that requirement was not stated, I did not make that assumption. But if that were desired, it would probably push custom reports beyond what it can do reasonably.

boomerbubba wrote:Is that available in the new custom reports?


Individual phone numbers can indeed be included in a custom report, starting in MLS 3.1. However, Custom Reports can only generate a flat list. There is no concept of master-detail organization (except for Household grouping, which is only really a sorting option).

So the output of a custom report that attempted to capture individual phone numbers for the HoH and spouse would generate one or two records per household (depending on the presence of a spouse), and then formatting such a report for household data in a mail merge would be complex.

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Postby ammonihah » Thu Dec 03, 2009 6:24 pm

boomerbubba wrote:Do you mean the boundary lines themselves are wrong? (If that is the case, you should report that through the stake.)

Or do you mean the boundaries are correct but there are some members shown outside the boundaries who are not members of your ward? Or actual ward members whose plotted locations do not match their addresses inside the ward? There is a known issue related to the timing of updates, such that some locations plotted are for members' prior addresses. That issue is being worked on.


Our boundaries, Rocklin 5th Ward, extend west into another ward in another stake. Also, within the over extended boundaries there are two or three members showing, but I know that there are many many more members in that area that attend another ward.

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Postby RossEvans » Fri Dec 04, 2009 7:43 am

Ammonihah wrote:Our boundaries, Rocklin 5th Ward, extend west into another ward in another stake. Also, within the over extended boundaries there are two or three members showing, but I know that there are many many more members in that area that attend another ward.


As I understand it, the official reporting channel for boundary errors is through your stake. Submitting that feedback to CHQ is a stake responsibility. It would help them to notice if the apparent error you see is only in the beta test of the online map, or if it also occurs in printed or PDF maps distributed to units by CHQ for the asking.

As for the two or three members that seem to be outside your boundaries, did you verify that the addresses are actually outside your limits, or just the geocoded locations? If the addresses are actually outside your boundaries, but the records are on your ward roster, you should probably move them out to the correct ward using MLS. Also, it would be interesting to see what happens if you key those addresses into the current production site at maps.lds.org for searching. If you do that, which ward is displayed as the assigned congregation?

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Postby greggo » Fri Dec 04, 2009 7:58 am

boomerbubba wrote:It does get complicated if you want to organize the directory report by households instead of just by members.


You can eliminate the need to use MLS at all, if the info in the downloadable CSV file from the ward website will suffice (ie. mailing address, etc. not needed).

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Postby RossEvans » Fri Dec 04, 2009 8:13 am

Greggo wrote:You can eliminate the need to use MLS at all, if the info in the downloadable CSV file from the ward website will suffice (ie. mailing address, etc. not needed).


Yes, but this entire tangent began with psnarula's need to obtain a directory that includes mailing addresses, which the current LUWS site does not.

This fork in the thread has gotten far afield from the topic of the LDS Maps beta. But it does make me wonder what the plans are for integrating the member information.

I still don't quite understand where the data in the beta site is coming from. It looks mostly like MLS data, except the household names inconsistently reflect preferred names rather than full names.

There seem to be diverse sets of data in play: The current MLS data, the current LUWS data, the CMIS database at CHQ, the database being used for development of the new LUWS website, and whatever tables are being used for the beta maps site. I have to believe that all this will be better integrated when the new sites go into production, but I don't know what that roadmap is.

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Postby psnarula » Sun Dec 06, 2009 1:22 pm

I still cannot access the "My Ward" part of the website. I sent a message to the "Feedback" link. I guess we'll see what happens.

Re the custom report / mail merge options -- i'll have to give that a try. I am new to this but I do have a graduate degree in Computer Science so it's not like I shouldn't be able to figure this out. I just need to find the time to play with it. Thanks for the tips.

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Postby aaho » Sun Dec 06, 2009 5:27 pm

I'm a Stake Clerk, and although I can bring up my own ward, is there a link or some direction so I can see other wards within my Stake?

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Postby aebrown » Sun Dec 06, 2009 5:30 pm

aaho wrote:I'm a Stake Clerk, and although I can bring up my own ward, is there a link or some direction so I can see other wards within my Stake?


Not now. That question was asked in this post, and answered by a Church employee in the very next post in that thread.

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Postby aaho » Sun Dec 06, 2009 5:34 pm

I was afraid it might have been answered already, except I got tired of reading all the threads, as I was just introduced to this today by a ward clerk. Thanks for the answer.


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