There is a lot going on here, so I'm going to tackle the issues one at a time.
First, it is important to understand that a person who is age nine or older and has not been baptized (often referred to as a "child of record") is not a member of the Church. From
General Handbook 33.6.2:
A person age 9 or older who has a membership record but has not been baptized and confirmed is not a member of record.
The scenario you are describing is one of many that can occur where a person who is participating in the Church is age nine or older but has not been baptized. Regardless of the scenario, on that person's ninth birthday, the magic boolean "member" flag flips from true to false unless the member is not accountable.
russellhltn wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:08 pm
It seems likely there is a implied business rule that a YW class councilor must be a member and not just a member of record.
There is a business rule that requires that a member of a young women class presidency must be a member of the Church. Because she is older than nine years old and has not been baptized, she is not a member of record (refer back to
General Handbook 33.6.2) and cannot be recorded as holding that position.
mkmurray wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 7:00 pm
... LCR is restricting that person from being entered into that position and saying that if they are "out of unit", I'd have to make a record for them that way.
Is there a better way to accomplish this? Is creating an out of unit record a necessary or plausible workaround?
LCR is restricting you from entering her into position because of the business rule above. An out-of-unit record isn't a plausible workaround because she is already a member of your unit.
MLS used to have a feature that would allow you to create a record that only existed in MLS for the purpose of adding people not in your ward (nonmember, out-of-unit leader, regular visitor) to the MLS database. That feature does not exist in LCR.
You can add a member to your ward as an out-of-unit member, but you are not creating a record. In that case, you are getting a limited copy of the person's membership record so that they show up in the member list and can be assigned positions within the ward. (Remember that the bishop of the ward with the person's membership record should be contacted before extending a calling to serve.) The two most common use cases for this feature are leaders serving outside of their home unit (an adult leader in a young single adult ward, for example) or a child whose parents are divorced where the child needs to be listed in both parents' wards so that leaders in the non-home ward can appropriately minister to the child when that child is attending their ward.
The message that is being displayed in LCR is a reminder for the clerk who is trying to add someone and can't figure out why the member doesn't show up when searching. Either the information is incorrect (wrong spelling, etc.) or the result is not allowed in this context (can't put a man in as the Relief Society president). In this case, it is because the position requires that the person be a member of the Church, so she is filtered out because of her membership status.
The last sentence is a reminder that for someone who is coming from outside the ward or branch (YSA bishop, missionary serving in a leadership role while in the mission field, etc.), they should be added as an out-of-unit member.
mkmurray wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:10 pm
I heard from the previous clerk that some oddness around her account also surfaced with regard to registering for FSY and might have been similarly affected by her unbaptized status.
Yep. That is the case.
Back to "not accountable"...
mkmurray wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:10 pm
I have a theory that most of these coded restrictions might allow for an exception via the "Not Accountable" flag.
I haven't tested it, but there is a reasonable possibility that marking the record as not accountable would be enough that some systems would look at the member flag and let you record the person in the position. Having said that, DO NOT USE the not accountable flag as a "workaround" to allow recording the person as serving in this position (assuming the system lets that slide by).
mkmurray wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:01 pm
I also noticed this record has the option to be marked as "Not Accountable". I've now brought it up to our new bishop and I think he and the parents will be discussing this possibility soon. Kind of surprised it hasn't been brought up before by previous leadership and clerks over the last 5-6 years. She is wheelchair bound and largely mute.
mkmurray wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:10 pm
I have been reading up on the ramifications and usage of that notation as much as I can to be a support to my bishop and her parents. However, her parents are hesitant to use that flag with a situation that is so debatable; I believe they also fear using that flag and then undoing the flag later, indicative that she's now all of the sudden capable of being accountable. She is clearly cognizant and aware to understand the world around her but has few motor skills for communication and movement. I believe she can currently express understanding and desire to be baptized and could be carried down into the water, but I believe incapable of holding her breath. I've heard the parents have been looking into a live proxy baptism for the last year with the stake president, which I wasn't aware there was precedent for. Kinda cool to think about actually.
General Handbook 33.6.10 has the authoritative information on how to handle this situation. The first sentence gets you started:
A person age 8 or older who has an intellectual disability, his or her parents (where applicable), and the bishop counsel together to determine whether the person is accountable.
I think that covers most of it. The key points so far:
- Because she has not been baptized, she is not a member of record.
- She must be a member of record in order to be recorded in this position.
- The decision of whether she is accountable is something that should be a matter of serious discussion between the young woman, her parents, and the bishop.
Now to tackle your questions about class assignments.
mkmurray wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:01 pm
I am confused what the system thinks should be her default assigned class in this case. This would be her class based on age, but perhaps the baptism aspect is being enforced? I am wondering if the "Not Accountable" flag for the purposes of class membership or class leadership could be a programmed exception in the logic. If Bishop decides to activate that flag, it could be interesting to see how the logic evaluates differently if at all.
You currently have four Young Women classes in your ward:
- Young Women 12
- Young Women 13-14
- Young Women 15-16
- Young Women 17-18
The number attached to the class description is the
age that the young woman will be turning during this calendar year. This means that your youngest young women (age 11 unless they have had a birthday since January 1) should be in the Young Women 12 class because they will be turning 12 this year. The same thing applies for your other classes.
The young woman in question turns 15 later this year. That means that she should be in the Young Women 15-16 class. You have her assigned to the Young Women 13-14 class, so she is not in the default class based on her age.
If you look at the members of your Young Women classes, you can see that you have lots of them that are not in the default class. All of the young women in your ward who are 12 years old are currently in the Young Women 12 class, but they should be in the Young Women 13-14 class because they will have their 13th birthday this year. All of them are marked as being out of their default class. The same thing applies for all of your 14-year-old young women (in Young Women 13-14 but should be in Young Women 15-16) and one 16-year-old young woman who is in Young Women 15-16 but should be in Young Women 17-18.
Your 18-year-old young women are marked as being out of their default class assignment because they turn 19 this year. The decision for when a young woman begins fully participating in Relief Society is something that should be considered by the young woman, her parents, and the bishop, but "by age 19, each young woman should be fully participating in Relief Society." (
General Handbook 11.4)
Also, she is already assigned to the class we want her to be in. The confusing part is instead why the system is indicating she is NOT in the default assigned class.
It sounds like you need to redefine your classes. Based on how you have grouped your young women, you should have Young Women 12-13, Young Women 14-15, Young Women 16, and Young Women 17-18.