Kindoo Access Control System

[ELHawkes]

Does the smartphone have to have internet connectivity each time the Kindoo app unlocks a door?

It uses Bluetooth. I think they said 20 feet, but have tested how far away you can get myself.

Right, I understand that the phone uses bluetooth to communicate with the door sensor, but does the phone also need internet connectivity as part of the authentication to unlock the door?

[russellhltn]

I've got a question. It's been mentioned that the system supports callings. Can it support a custom calling (like "Hymn book straightener"?), or can it only deal with standard positions?

While I know it can support individuals, it would be nice if rights could be revoked when they leave a custom calling that required access.

[swigginton]

I forgot to answer this question for you:

Does a user like a Stake Pres have to be configured in seperate controllers for each building, or does one controller do all the buildings in a stake?

No. The brains of Kindoo is in a cloud-based server, so nothing is configured on the Kindoo device itself. Each stake is configure as a Kindoo "Site". Any user within that site is given access to whichever doors are appropriate. Kindoo uses "Access Rules" to group this information. For example, we configure 4 access rules per building:

• "Stake-Always" - anyone with this access rule has access to all buildings in the stake 24/7. Typically stake presidency, stake PFR, security specialists, etc.
• "Stake-Schedule" - all other stake leaders. They can access any building between 5AM-11pm
• "<building>-Always" - can access a specific building 24/7. Typically bishoprics, building PFR, security, etc.
• <building>-Schedule" - for all other building leaders. Can access a specific building between 5AM-11PM.

So, to configure a stake president, you just assign the "Stake-Always" rule and they automatically have access to all their buildings, even as new ones are added to Kindoo.

[swigginton]

Does the smartphone have to have internet connectivity each time the Kindoo app unlocks a door?

Yes, Internet connectivity is required. It can either be through the phone provider or you can use the building Wi-Fi. I understand the Church was going to bypass the firewall for Kindoo commands so you don't need first pass the TOS screen, but I haven't tested that.

[swigginton]

I've got a question. It's been mentioned that the system supports callings. Can it support a custom calling (like "Hymn book straightener"?), or can it only deal with standard positions?

When I provided my input, I specifically suggested that any calling be configurable with Kindoo. If they do that, it should handle automatic Kindoo access transfer when a calling changes.

[ELHawkes]

Does the smartphone have to have internet connectivity each time the Kindoo app unlocks a door?

Yes, Internet connectivity is required. It can either be through the phone provider or you can use the building Wi-Fi. I understand the Church was going to bypass the firewall for Kindoo commands so you don't need first pass the TOS screen, but I haven't tested that.

Our current Sicunet (Open Cesamee app) system, does not require both Bluetooth and internet connectivity on the phone to unlock a door, it only requires Bluetooth.
What additional issues/problems have users reported when trying to unlock a door with the Kindoo app and it won't unlock because the phone isn't getting both types of communication?

the Church was going to bypass the firewall for Kindoo commands so you don't need first pass the TOS screen, but I haven't tested that.

I know what a firewall is, but what does "you don't need first pass the TOS screen," mean? I've not seen the Kindoo app yet, maybe it would make more sense if I had.

[swigginton]

Our current Sicunet (Open Cesamee app) system, does not require both Bluetooth and internet connectivity on the phone to unlock a door, it only requires Bluetooth.
What additional issues/problems have users reported when trying to unlock a door with the Kindoo app and it won't unlock because the phone isn't getting both types of communication?

Our original concerns were with buildings in areas with poor cell coverage, but even then, the coverage seems to be sufficient. The communication protocol is so small it doesn't require high bandwidth.

I know what a firewall is, but what does "you don't need first pass the TOS screen," mean? I've not seen the Kindoo app yet, maybe it would make more sense if I had.

TOS=Terms-of-service screen that the church requires you to accept before you get access to the Liahona network. I understand they were going to let the Kindoo traffic pass through without requiring the extra step of accepting that screen.

[ELHawkes]

Reading this Kindoo web page, it indicates that there is a monthly fee per user seat (I assume that means license)
https://www.kindoo.tech/
I understand that the church gets a discount so each license is $20 instead of $25.
That is still all quite expensive as this system gets installed. 1,000,000 license's will cost $20,000,000 and the monthy fee will be $600,000.
Let me know if I'm misunderstanding something here.

Additional permanent user seat
25$
One-time fee per user seat

Additional monthly user seat
0.6$
Monthly fee per user seat

[russellhltn]

I'm sure the accounting department has done the math.

Balance that against parodic re-keying when a key is stolen or "too many keys are out there". The cost of the misuse of keys, and the more expensive locks the church has used to prevent keys from being duplicated.

[swigginton]

Reading this Kindoo web page, it indicates that there is a monthly fee per user seat (I assume that means license)

While Kindoo has a monthly license option, that's not what the Church is using. FM groups are required to purchase permanent one-time licenses, which the Church gets at a discount ($20/license). These licenses are permanently assigned to the stakes.