Household location accuracy

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jschuchert wrote:I am not able to move my location and the ward clerk knows nothing about it although he said he does have additional privileges with his log in so maybe he can do it.
The ward clerk certainly can move markers for his ward. Some clerks haven't experimented with this yet, but he'll find that he can indeed move markers. I'm not sure why you can't move your marker, unless some other clerk or executive secretary or bishopric member already verified your address. But the ward clerk will have the ability to see the verification status of every household in the ward; if your address has already been verified, then that explains why you can't move your marker, even if you don't know exactly who verified it among the bishopric/clerks.
jschuchert wrote:However, there are no extra markers for him to move around a cul-de-sac.

I'm not sure what you mean by "extra markers"; there should be one marker for each household. Why would you need extra markers? Note that sometimes you need to zoom in sufficiently to distinguish between markers that are quite close to each other.
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aebrown wrote:The ward clerk certainly can move markers for his ward. Some clerks haven't experimented with this yet, but he'll find that he can indeed move markers. I'm not sure why you can't move your marker, unless some other clerk or executive secretary or bishopric member already verified your address. But the ward clerk will have the ability to see the verification status of every household in the ward; if your address has already been verified, then that explains why you can't move your marker, even if you don't know exactly who verified it among the bishopric/clerks.



I'm not sure what you mean by "extra markers"; there should be one marker for each household. Why would you need extra markers? Note that sometimes you need to zoom in sufficiently to distinguish between markers that are quite close to each other.
I have zoomed in to enlarge the area. What I mean is that the map shows only 1 marker at the center of the cul-de-sac. The tool tip for that marker indicates the name of a valid household that is part of the cul but says it is unverified. There are no other markers in the area for 5 homes around the cul-de-sac. So which markers would the ward clerk move? This is the case for each cul-de-sac in the ward neighborhood.

Related questions: I am not the ward clerk but produced a scaled map through AutoCad which we distribute to the members. Can ONLY the ward clerk move the markers? When he logs in with his lds account, does the program know he is the clerk and allows the marker location procedure to work? I found that I am unable to move them.
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jschuchert wrote:I have zoomed in to enlarge the area. What I mean is that the map shows only 1 marker at the center of the cul-de-sac. The tool tip for that marker indicates the name of a valid household that is part of the cul but says it is unverified. There are no other markers in the area for 5 homes around the cul-de-sac. So which markers would the ward clerk move? This is the case for each cul-de-sac in the ward neighborhood.

Related questions: I am not the ward clerk but produced a scaled map through AutoCad which we distribute to the members. Can ONLY the ward clerk move the markers? When he logs in with his lds account, does the program know he is the clerk and allows the marker location procedure to work? I found that I am unable to move them.
Are there ward members living in all homes in the cul de sac, or just one?

Is the marker a group marker, which has three small circles inside the marker's circle? Or does the marker just look like a bullseye, which denotes a single household? (Group markers can contain multiple households.) If there are multiple ward families grouped together, it may be that the automated geocoding was only able to locate them approximately, at the same approximate location. If so, and there are multiple single-family residences occupied by different ward members, the clerk can manually break up the group and move a single marker for each family to an individual lot. If it is a group marker, you should be able to click on the marker and see multiple households listed in the popup.

EDIT: Since you apparently have downloaded the household list as a CSV file, you should also be able to identify households that are part of a mapped group by that data file. Such households will have an entry in the column called 'Group."

Yes, the ward clerk is authenticated at login with higher privileges than rank-and-file members. They can only move their own households (and the clerk can later override what they do.)
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RossEvans wrote:Are there ward members living in all homes in the cul de sac, or just one?

Is the marker a group marker, which has three small circles inside the marker's circle? Or does the marker just look like a bullseye, which denotes a single household? (Group markers can contain multiple households.) If there are multiple ward families grouped together, it may be that the automated geocoding was only able to locate them approximately, at the same approximate location. If so, and there are multiple single-family residences occupied by different ward members, the clerk can manually break up the group and move a single marker for each family to an individual lot. If it is a group marker, you should be able to click on the marker and see multiple households listed in the popup.

EDIT: Since you apparently have downloaded the household list as a CSV file, you should also be able to identify households that are part of a mapped group by that data file. Such households will have an entry in the column called 'Group."

Yes, the ward clerk is authenticated at login with higher privileges than rank-and-file members. They can only move their own households (and the clerk can later override what they do.)

Thank you for your response. All homes around the circle are occupied. The marker in the center of the circle is a 'bulls-eye' although there are group markers further away in the same street but the pop up there only indicates 1 family. Maybe I can work with the clerk and see what's going after he logs in. I can certainly understand how confusion might exist around a cul-de-sac.
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jschuchert wrote:Thank you for your response. All homes around the circle are occupied. The marker in the center of the circle is a 'bulls-eye' although there are group markers further away in the same street but the pop up there only indicates 1 family. Maybe I can work with the clerk and see what's going after he logs in. I can certainly understand how confusion might exist around a cul-de-sac.
One other approach that can be helpful is to select a household in the directory list of the Maps application. That will highlight the marker for the household in the map panel. This technique can help distinguish among markers that are physically close to each other, and can help you find markers that may be placed far from the correct location or for some other reason are not where you expect them to be.
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