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Key Indicators & Family History Report - 1st 4 generations

Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 9:56 pm
by BarryHill
Is there a place where I can get a definitive explanation of "First Four Generations of Family in the Tree" as it appears in Key Indicators and in the Family History Activity Report. The number is expressed as a percentage.

The first assumption would be that it is the percentage of members in the ward or stake that have completed all 15 names of a four generation family tree. The problem is that the number is near 50%. That would suggest that every active member (of every age) and a percentage of inactive members have four generations in Family Tree. I find this to be extremely unlikely,.especially since many of the other stats indicates a weak participation in FamilyTree.

Thanks for any insight.

Barry

Re: Key Indicators & Family History Report - 1st 4 generations

Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 11:03 pm
by russellhltn
Good question. The first thing I wonder about is how easily it would be for one member to ride on the coat tails of another family member. For example, if the parents have completed a their 4 generation, then would the children (adult or not) be counted even if they've never signed into FamilySearch? What about the siblings of those who have completed their work?

It should be noted that the push for 4 generations is not new. And since this is a stat that counts a once in a lifetime accomplishment (as opposed to an annual one), I could see how it might be possible that some people are counted based on the old submissions (Ancestral File? Paper group sheets?) even if they have not logged into FamilySearch in many years.

Re: Key Indicators & Family History Report - 1st 4 generations

Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:24 am
by jstracy13
Add to that the fact that everyone's living relatives are unique to their personal tree and can't be shared across members of a family and it adds to the intrigue . . .

Re: Key Indicators & Family History Report - 1st 4 generations

Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 7:09 am
by aebrown
barryhill wrote:Is there a place where I can get a definitive explanation of "First Four Generations of Family in the Tree" as it appears in Key Indicators and in the Family History Activity Report. The number is expressed as a percentage.
See this post for the answer.

Basically, each person has 15 possible persons in their 4-generation tree (self, parents, grandparents, great-grandparents). The statistic is what percentage of those 15 persons are actually in the tree for the adult members of the ward/stake.
russellhltn wrote:The first thing I wonder about is how easily it would be for one member to ride on the coat tails of another family member. For example, if the parents have completed a their 4 generation, then would the children (adult or not) be counted even if they've never signed into FamilySearch? What about the siblings of those who have completed their work?
It doesn't matter whether these people have signed in to FamilySearch. Members have their own entry in the Family Tree regardless of whether they have ever signed in to FamilySearch. That entry will be connected to parents listed on their membership record as well. But since we're talking about living members, these records won't be visible to anyone else (except FamilySearch administrators).

And the answer is yes, as with every shared person on the Family Tree, it's possible for a person's statistics to be enhanced by the work of others. If someone connected my deceased parents to their parents, then I will benefit from those linkages in this particular statistic even if I've never signed in to FamilySearch.
russellhltn wrote:It should be noted that the push for 4 generations is not new. And since this is a stat that counts a once in a lifetime accomplishment (as opposed to an annual one), I could see how it might be possible that some people are counted based on the old submissions (Ancestral File? Paper group sheets?) even if they have not logged into FamilySearch in many years.
This statistic has nothing to do with old submissions, except to the extent that those old submissions actually somehow got into Family Tree.

Also, this is not a once-in-a-lifetime accomplishment. It is a reflection of the status of the current Family Tree. If someone were to disconnect my parents from my grandparents, my statistic would go down. Of course that would be unusual, but it could happen.
jstracy13 wrote:Add to that the fact that everyone's living relatives are unique to their personal tree and can't be shared across members of a family and it adds to the intrigue . . .
Not really. The statistic is counted from the perspective of each person, including people in their private spaces. The fact that living persons are in private spaces could affect the ability of siblings and other relatives to affect a person's count, but the statistic is simply what I said. If each adult member of the stake were to sign in to FamilySearch and look at their Family Tree, what percentage of the 15 people do they see? These numbers are added up and turned into an overall percentage.

Re: Key Indicators & Family History Report - 1st 4 generations

Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 11:12 am
by brucebre
It would be nice if this statistic was a percent of those that have 100% of their 15 names. But, it is not that. If there are 100 people in your ward, then you have 1500 people that make up the 1st 4 gen number. They just calculate how many have at least a name (of the 15 people) and that is the percentage. So, if all 100 people have 12 names (out of the 15), then your percentage would be 80%. It would be nice to know the percentage of those that are missing at least one name out of the 15. In this case, all the ward members need to add someone into their 4 generation list, as opposed to thinking that the ward was 80% done.

Re: Key Indicators & Family History Report - 1st 4 generations

Posted: Thu May 24, 2018 9:19 pm
by hedeliusk
Is there a way to access this metric on an individual basis? We'd like to know if recent converts have this completed or not.

Re: Key Indicators & Family History Report - 1st 4 generations

Posted: Thu May 24, 2018 10:02 pm
by lajackson
hedeliusk wrote:Is there a way to access this metric on an individual basis?
So far that metric has not been made available at the ward or stake level. But your Temple and Family History Consultants should know how well your recent converts are doing.

Re: Key Indicators & Family History Report - 1st 4 generations

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:52 pm
by jatkins
lajackson wrote: Thu May 24, 2018 10:02 pm
hedeliusk wrote:Is there a way to access this metric on an individual basis?
So far that metric has not been made available at the ward or stake level.
Hi there

Any update as to when the individual statistics will be made available to the wards and stakes or how we can see them? Our stake is on a family history drive and this metric is one of the focuses but we have no mechanism of working on it as we can’t identify who in the ward hasn’t completed their 4 gen chart

Thanks

Re: Key Indicators & Family History Report - 1st 4 generations

Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:22 pm
by scgallafent
jatkins wrote: Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:52 pmAny update as to when the individual statistics will be made available to the wards and stakes or how we can see them? Our stake is on a family history drive and this metric is one of the focuses but we have no mechanism of working on it as we can’t identify who in the ward hasn’t completed their 4 gen chart
I have not heard of any plans to change this.

Re: Key Indicators & Family History Report - 1st 4 generations

Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:41 pm
by lbjorkman
How to generate list of members by same age