Change in Recording Sacrament Meeting Attendance

[jdlessley]

I guess clerks should process as many move-outs as they can before recording attendance.

We figure it won't take long for clerks to figure out how to game the system, although I'm still trying to figure out why. Budget is based on total attendance, not percentage.

Sacrament meeting attendance percentage is used in computing the Young Single Adult number in the unit quarterly budget allowance computation.

[lajackson]

Sacrament meeting attendance percentage is used in computing the Young Single Adult number in the unit quarterly budget allowance computation.

Interesting and valid point. I had not thought of that because we have a YSA branch in our stake and the stake gives them all the budget.

[jdlessley]

Sacrament meeting attendance percentage is used in computing the Young Single Adult number in the unit quarterly budget allowance computation.

Interesting and valid point. I had not thought of that because we have a YSA branch in our stake and the stake gives them all the budget.

Our stake leaves the unit budget amount for YSA for the records that remain in the ward. Almost all those records are inactive.

[scgallafent]

I guess clerks should process as many move-outs as they can before recording attendance.

We figure it won't take long for clerks to figure out how to game the system, although I'm still trying to figure out why. Budget is based on total attendance, not percentage.

Sacrament meeting attendance percentage is used in computing the Young Single Adult number in the unit quarterly budget allowance computation.

I think the math is actually attendance times percentage of the ward that are young single adults (attendance -> percentage of YSA instead of percent attendance -> YSA), which is why I have never looked at it as being based on attendance percentage. The two functions were equivalent, so I stand corrected. They're not exactly equivalent now. Sounds like a good excuse for me to poke the finance guys.

[russellhltn]

The two functions were equivalent, so I stand corrected. They're not exactly equivalent now.

I think they're still equivalent.

One is "Attendance x (YSA count/Member count)" the other is "(Attendance/Member count) x YSA count"

Either way, the end result is (Attendance x YSA count)/Member count.

The question is when is the snapshot of YSA percentage is taken compared to the member count?

I'm not sure how much the YSA percentage changes for ward. I suppose a ward of just the right age could have a surge of \YSA returning home for the summer months. Student ward of course have a big surge, but that's in the overall count.

Sounds like a good excuse for me to poke the finance guys.

But don't let me spoil your fun. <grin>

[scgallafent]

The two functions were equivalent, so I stand corrected. They're not exactly equivalent now.

I think they're still equivalent.

One is "Attendance x (YSA count/Member count)" the other is "(Attendance/Member count) x YSA count"

They could be different now because it would either be (attendance / potential attendance) x YSA count or attendance x (YSA count / number of members). Since potential attendance is now independent of number of members, the values could be different.

[russellhltn]

Since potential attendance is now independent of number of members, the values could be different.

Aside from Members of Record over 9 years old, what else would be the difference?

[scgallafent]

Potential attendance is calculated by averaging across the quarter. Number of members is the number of members in the unit at the end of the quarter. Unbaptized members of record age 9 or older are now included in either total.

[russellhltn]

Potential attendance is calculated by averaging across the quarter. Number of members is the number of members in the unit at the end of the quarter.

That would have quite an impact on student single wards. I'd expect the YSA amount to be about half of the ward's total allocation. And the ends of the quarters tend to fall on school breaks.

[scgallafent]

That would have quite an impact on student single wards. I'd expect the YSA amount to be about half of the ward's total allocation. And the ends of the quarters tend to fall on school breaks.

It will typically be much higher than half. The "adult" leaders (bishopric, clerk, high councilor, and spouses) are out-of-unit members, so they aren't included in the membership count.