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Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 11:12 pm
by aaronmarksmith
It's generally a member of the Stake Presidency, but may be delegated to a High Councilor. I think I was serving on the HC when that letter came out, as I do remember seeing it. It's pretty hard to get your hands on a copy if you're not in a leadership position, though.

Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 5:26 am
by aebrown
geeksmith wrote:It's generally a member of the Stake Presidency, but may be delegated to a High Councilor. I think I was serving on the HC when that letter came out, as I do remember seeing it. It's pretty hard to get your hands on a copy if you're not in a leadership position, though.
As mentioned earlier in this thread, there is no provision for delegating the setting apart of a ward clerk to a high councilor; the letter speaks only of assistant ward clerks. Those who actually need to know can certainly put their hands on the letter.

Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 11:26 am
by jlstoddard
Actually the Stake President usually or member of Presidency (There is a Matrix in HI #1) is one who sets apart a Ward Clerk

Assistant clerks can be by a member of presidency or high council member or designated
hooson wrote:Book 1 of the CHI, current edition, states that a Ward Clerk is set apart by a member of the Stake Presidency.

One of the counsellors in our Stake Presidency - recently called - has inherited a CHI which has a handwritten note in the margin stating that an official letter dated 23 May 2009 stated that Ward Clerks may now be set apart by a member of the High Council if assigned by a member of the Stake Presidency.

We haven't been able to verify this anywhere - can anyone confirm? Better yet, is there a way of viewing the letter itself?

Thanks in advance.

Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 3:50 pm
by dannykos
If my stake president asked me to do something I thought was incorrect, I'd check the handbook - and politely refer him to the page which contradicts his instructions.

nothing wrong with correcting incorrectness, as long as it's done correctly ;)

Correcting correctly

Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 2:14 pm
by gdbrown-p40
dannykos wrote:.....nothing wrong with correcting incorrectness, as long as it's done correctly ;)

"As the Spirit Directs......."

GD

Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 5:49 am
by charly3358-p40
dannykos wrote:..and politely refer him to the page which contradicts his instructions.

nothing wrong with correcting incorrectness, as long as it's done correctly ;)
If you are brave enough......:rolleyes:

Letter of May 23

Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 12:36 pm
by golfteam
jstoddard wrote:Actually the Stake President usually or member of Presidency (There is a Matrix in HI #1) is one who sets apart a Ward Clerk

Assistant clerks can be by a member of presidency or high council member or designated
The letter is actually dated May 23, 2007 and references assistant clerks, and ask that it be written in the CHB #1. NOT Ward clerks, who need to be set apart by a member of the Stake Presidency.

Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:21 am
by rpyne
charly3358 wrote:If you are brave enough......:rolleyes:
While I was serving as stake clerk a few years ago, the instruction I received directly from a visiting member of the Seventy is that clerks should become "experts on the General Handbook of Instructions" and provide policy guidance to their stake presidents and bishops when needed. He went on to instruct us that to the greatest extent possible, the clerks and assistant clerks should take care of all administrative duties so that the stake president and bishops can concentrate their time and energy to the ministering duties.

Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 11:59 am
by johnshaw
charly3358 wrote:If you are brave enough......:rolleyes:
As a called Ward or Stake Clerk, you shouldn't need to be brave enough. The leadership should be humble enough to be counseled correctly. If you don't want me to provide that kind of guidance and counsel, release me now, otherwise listen to what I have to say. Then, watch me support you with all my heart, might, mind, and strength whatever is decided, even if I think it's wrong.

I always tell my clerks, as long as it's in private, you should feel like you can say anything to your Bishop by way of advice, observation, counsel, policy, etc... but when a decision is made, you're the biggest advocate!