mkmurray wrote:This isn't really stated in any policy, but I think I will submit it to everyone for consideration and debate...
Perhaps one good point of policy could be that you should never upload somebody else's MLS data that is not your own onto a non-Church hosted server. So if you are taking your own MLS data and uploading it to a non-Church server, do you have that right to your own data about yourself? But you should never have that right over someone else's data. Basically what it boils down to is that you can submit your own personal information to another non-Church website/server, but you cannot take any bulk export out of MLS (other people's data) and put it on a non-Church server.
Tom W. has basically been saying this the whole time that you cannot export MLS data to a non-Church server. This seems like something that would help solve the question of what "Church content" is; what does everyone think (especially Enrique)?
I just want to make sure everyone understands that I am a big proponent of innovation. However, the participants on this forum will be faced with these obstacles until the church publishes some clear definitions as to what is not permitted. So while I concur and value the opinions shared thus far this thread is really about obtaining some "official" definitions which are understandable by all (not just the techies.)
While I concur that data exported from any church system (aka MLS, or the membership directory on the ward websites) is "Church data" it is not "content" as understood by the technology community. Content is defined as a publication or document and in most cases is copywritted.
We also need to know what constitutes an "export" and "upload" in the eyes of the church. Does this mean outputing a report to a disk file, or cutting and pasting from the clipboard, or is it just limited to the export function of the application. The dictionary states that it is to output documents, data, etc. into a format usable by another software program. Does "upload" mean any transfer (via file or keyboard) of information or is it limited to the dictionary's definition to convey software, data, character sets, etc. from one computer to another.
So we need "official" clarifications on what is deemed "content", on whether "web apps" (like ymyw.org, scouting.org, etc.) are permitted for use, and how "export" and "upload" are defined.
In summary, until these "official" clarifications are intelligible to ALL our technology efforts will get tripped up by Priesthood leaders who read letters from the church and interpret them to say we are limited to using official church websites.