Accessing Classic Scriptures?

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Donna.Johnson
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Accessing Classic Scriptures?

Postby Donna.Johnson » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:00 pm

Is there any way to access the classic site for the scriptures? I miss the search feature of the old, because the new one does not do as good a job. The searches are limited, whereas in the past, I could search any phrase with success. I also hate that I can't read or copy scripture verses without the footnotes. There's no hide footnotes features. My study of the scriptures has become tedious and hard with the new format! And the work I do is extremely hindered because of the lack of the hide footnotes feature. PLEASE HELP!!

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Re: Accessing Classic Scriptures?

Postby sbradshaw » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:11 pm

This is only a solution to one of your difficulties, but when you're viewing a chapter, in the top right there's an "Aa" icon. When you click that, you can choose to hide the footnotes.
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Re: Accessing Classic Scriptures?

Postby mevans » Tue Jul 02, 2019 7:25 am

Donna.Johnson wrote:Is there any way to access the classic site for the scriptures? I miss the search feature of the old, because the new one does not do as good a job. The searches are limited, whereas in the past, I could search any phrase with success.


I recommend that you provide Feedback about the missing search feature and any other concerns you have. On the left panel of the online Gospel Library, scroll to the bottom. You'll see a Feedback link. Click on it to submit your feedback.

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Re: Accessing Classic Scriptures?

Postby ryanreeder » Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:46 pm

I just stumbled across this forum, and just want to provide a second voice that the classic scriptures site had much better search capabilities. I would use Boolean and wildcard searches all the time, but am no longer able to do so. I also appreciated that it would return 50 results, rather than 10, at a time, and that it would return all the instances of a search, rather than just a chapter that you had to click on. Copying and pasting was also much more facilitated on the classic site. I had been working for ten years on a compilation of searches using the classic site, with over 15,000 entries, but had to abandon the project when the site was discontinued. (http://scripturalphraseguide.blogspot.c ... jacob.html)

I did try to go through feedback last June/July, but it seemed like I was only communicating with earnest Church service missionaries who weren't empowered to do very much, nor were particularly tech-savvy. All they could tell me was "We will not be returning to the old experience but are continuing to improve the site. Please provide specific details on what is not working well for you so that our product team knows what to improve." I also got responses giving detailed instructions on how to perform basic searches on the new site and advice to try archive.org, which only preserves the front page of the site and one click deep, but not the search capabilities, at least as far as I've been aware.

I recently ran across a reference to an app called SiteSucker which apparently might even be able to retrieve websites from archive.org, which surprises me that that might be possible. I'm inclined to give it a try, even though it costs about $5.

Anyway, that's my experience. I can do other things, but searching the scriptures is much more limited with the new site.

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Re: Accessing Classic Scriptures?

Postby mevans » Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:36 am

ryanreeder wrote:I just stumbled across this forum, and just want to provide a second voice that the classic scriptures site had much better search capabilities. I would use Boolean and wildcard searches all the time, but am no longer able to do so. I also appreciated that it would return 50 results, rather than 10, at a time, and that it would return all the instances of a search, rather than just a chapter that you had to click on. Copying and pasting was also much more facilitated on the classic site. I had been working for ten years on a compilation of searches using the classic site, with over 15,000 entries, but had to abandon the project when the site was discontinued. (http://scripturalphraseguide.blogspot.c ... jacob.html)

I did try to go through feedback last June/July, but it seemed like I was only communicating with earnest Church service missionaries who weren't empowered to do very much, nor were particularly tech-savvy. All they could tell me was "We will not be returning to the old experience but are continuing to improve the site. Please provide specific details on what is not working well for you so that our product team knows what to improve." I also got responses giving detailed instructions on how to perform basic searches on the new site and advice to try archive.org, which only preserves the front page of the site and one click deep, but not the search capabilities, at least as far as I've been aware.

I recently ran across a reference to an app called SiteSucker which apparently might even be able to retrieve websites from archive.org, which surprises me that that might be possible. I'm inclined to give it a try, even though it costs about $5.

Anyway, that's my experience. I can do other things, but searching the scriptures is much more limited with the new site.


The old scriptures might still be available if you have the URL somewhere. I'd have to go hunting to see if I can find it. However, the last I tried using the old site (which was sometime less than a year ago), highlighting wasn't working that well, so it might not meet your needs. Sometimes I'm grateful we have printed scriptures and Come, Follow Me manuals because things just aren't working properly on the church website.

You might try Feedback again. I've noticed a little better responses from them in the last several months. I think they changed some technology and process behind the feedback mechanism, although maybe it was in place back in your July/August timeframe. Sometimes you have to be persistent with them in getting beyond the basics. I have on rare occasions had some interaction with people who work at the church outside of the feedback mechanism...either by phone or email. One person mentioned to me that the person dealing with me on Feedback was likely his boss, so what I learned is that the ownership if the issues may change and you could be in contact with an anonymous technical church employee versus a service missionary; you don't really know. It may depend on the type of issue and whether it's of current interest. Most of us here have very little idea of what goes on in IT at church headquarters. Sometimes as church members, we feel like everything should be more transparent, but consider it to be just like most other companies/businesses you deal with for support: you generally know very little about the inner workings and decisions.


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