Additional Approval for Bishopric callings

[flyllek]

I am the stake clerk and an assistant clerk in the unit that I am trying to update the Bishopric in. However I am unable to do so because of the new approval that is needed. Does anyone know why the stake clerk or an assistant ward clerk is unable to update Bishopric callings?

[russellhltn]

Added security for anyone in a position to approve a financial transaction, or anyone who can put someone in that calling.

I would consider it the "new normal". I'd suggest informing the leadership that you need help recording the new calling so they don't all run away after the meeting and leave you hanging.

Going forward, this is likely to be required for anyone in the extended bishopric or stake presidency, including clerks and secretaries. A possible exception for the STS has I don't think he has financial or "sustaining" powers.

[snlutz]

We are trying to add a financial clerk but it wont show up in the list under bishopric any more. Did additional changes happen that limit who can make that change. I’m a stake clerk working with a ward clerk and it doesn’t show up for either of us.

[davesudweeks]

It is possible someone has deleted blank callings. If this is the case, you can add it by clicking the "Add another calling link" on the right side just below the last calling listed. Select "...Assistant Clerk--Finance" from the list. Then you will be able to add someone to the calling.

There may be a restriction on the number of Assistant Clerk--Finance callings that can be in a stake or ward, but I am not aware of any off the top of my head (I was successful at adding a second one to my ward without populating a member). My calling is ward clerk.

[brettrowe]

I've submitted a system upgrade suggestion several times... What would be nice is if we, as clerks, could fill everything out online, and instead of having to be in the same room at the same time with someone else with authority, it would be nice if we could "send" it to someone for approval, like one of the other clerks, secretaries or members of the Stake Presidency or the Bishopric of the Ward. I happen to know that within the Bishop's system, there are many times the Bishop gets to "push" approvals up to the Stake President. Why can't clerks have this same ability?

[jdlessley]

What would be nice is if we, as clerks, could fill everything out online, and instead of having to be in the same room at the same time with someone else with authority, it would be nice if we could "send" it to someone for approval, like one of the other clerks, secretaries or members of the Stake Presidency or the Bishopric of the Ward.

Have you sent this specific capability suggestion using the feedback link at the bottom of the LCR page being used?

Your suggestion does closely follow the approval process for expense disbursements currently being used in the finance section of LCR. So the programmers already have a template to implement a similar process for entering callings that need the two approvals.

The added security of two approvals for anyone who can enter a calling for someone in a position to approve a financial transaction would also have to be limited to the current setup for approving expense disbursements. Therefore I doubt two clerks would be an approval combination. Since an executive secretary does not have finance permissions he would not be able to be a second approval for entering such callings.

[brettrowe]

Yes. I’ve sent the suggestion several times in several ways, and haven’t heard anything. Also, at the stake level (I’m stake clerk), I regularly have the Stake Executive Secretary be the second “witness”.

[jdlessley]

Yes. I’ve sent the suggestion several times in several ways, and haven’t heard anything.

Due to the high volume of message traffic there is seldom other than an automated response to the feedback. Regardless, the message is sent to those who are the responsible person or office.

Also, at the stake level (I’m stake clerk), I regularly have the Stake Executive Secretary be the second “witness”.

That may be true for the stake now. It was not that way a couple of weeks ago but the request for that change had been made. It has not changed at the ward level.

[scgallafent]

I've submitted a system upgrade suggestion several times... What would be nice is if we, as clerks, could fill everything out online, and instead of having to be in the same room at the same time with someone else with authority, it would be nice if we could "send" it to someone for approval, like one of the other clerks, secretaries or members of the Stake Presidency or the Bishopric of the Ward. I happen to know that within the Bishop's system, there are many times the Bishop gets to "push" approvals up to the Stake President. Why can't clerks have this same ability?

The dual-authorization requirement wasn't part of the original design. To support it, there are quite a number of changes that have to be made. When those changes happen depends on how they fit into other priorities.