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Managed switches

Postby russellhltn » Tue May 26, 2020 2:42 pm

Looks like more changes are afoot. According to the email that hit my inbox, the church is assessing if individual STS are capable of setting up managed switches or if FM is going to have to do this task.

All switches that connect to a AP will have to be changed out.

I'm not sure what's behind it, but my guess is that the WiFi is going to be separated from the wired network.
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Re: Managed switches

Postby lajackson » Tue May 26, 2020 3:39 pm

russellhltn wrote:All switches that connect to a AP will have to be changed out.

Not really. Add the new managed switch. Plug all of the wireless access points into the new managed switch. Leave everything else plugged into the old switch.

You still need the firewall, but as I read the instructions the new managed switch is going to take care of the zone assignments that the firewall used to do.

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Re: Managed switches

Postby russellhltn » Tue May 26, 2020 5:09 pm

Ok, let me rephrase: all APs will have to connect to a managed switch. Other devices can connect though a unmanaged switch if needed.

The switches will come in two sizes: 8 port and 24 port. (This is not counting the "feed" going back to the firewall.) I'm not sure how they'll determine what size to send out.

If whatever you received covers all the needs, then there's no reason to keep the old switch. I think that's going to be the majority of the cases I have.

Note that you'll no longer be able to use any ports on the firewall. Everything has to go to the switch. Including FHC, FM zones, etc.
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Re: Managed switches

Postby lajackson » Tue May 26, 2020 6:49 pm

If they are going to send 24-port switches to all of the buildings, then the old switches can go away. Most of my buildings will overrun an 8-port switch, and so the old switch will not go away.

The stake center could use three new 24-port switches, but it would be better just to add an 8-port switch between the firewall and the existing rack of multiple switches, I would think.

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Re: Managed switches

Postby Mikerowaved » Tue May 26, 2020 6:59 pm

In my case, if they send me an 8-port, then I'll have to change out the old 10/100 unmanaged switch for a GigE version so it's not a bottleneck in the system. Fortunately, unmanaged GigE switches are pretty cheap nowadays.
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Re: Managed switches

Postby russellhltn » Tue May 26, 2020 7:13 pm

Mikerowaved wrote:In my case, if they send me an 8-port, then I'll have to change out the old 10/100 unmanaged switch for a GigE version so it's not a bottleneck in the system. Fortunately, unmanaged GigE switches are pretty cheap nowadays.

How is it not a bottleneck now?

Edit: is it because some devices are going direct to the firewall?
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Re: Managed switches

Postby Mikerowaved » Wed May 27, 2020 9:18 pm

russellhltn wrote:How is it not a bottleneck now?

It is - rather, they are - in all 3 of our buildings. Been contemplating changing them out, but I'm glad now I waited. I'm crossing my fingers 24-port gear shows up. I don't really know how the line will be drawn to determine who gets 8-port and who gets 24-port.
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Re: Managed switches

Postby jacobstimpson » Sun May 31, 2020 1:22 pm

I managed 1,800 Meraki networks with my previous employer and when the church installed Meraki in the meetinghouses I wondered why they didn't also do the switches. I am glad to hear they are doing it. It will surely simplify troubleshooting and loads of other issues that the GSD deals with.

I know that many STS's aren't networking experts so if I wanted to volunteer to help with the changes in my area anyone know how I could get on a list?

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Re: Managed switches

Postby russellhltn » Sun May 31, 2020 2:03 pm

jacobstimpson wrote:I know that many STS's aren't networking experts so if I wanted to volunteer to help with the changes in my area anyone know how I could get on a list?

I'd contact the FM group and let them know. Whatever the STS can't/doesn't do falls into their lap.
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Re: Managed switches

Postby mitchrichie » Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:10 pm

Unfortunately the FM group people seem not to be network experts either. Bishops in one of my buildings started complaining that the internet wasn't working... Went to investigate and discovered they have installed one of these new 8 port switches but didn't bother testing to see if any connected clerk computers or access points worked.

I was able to revert to the old switch and get everything working again but now what? I can see that nothing lights up when plugged into the new switch. Looks like it's cloud managed and as STS we don't have access to manage it? Kind of at a loss as to how to troubleshoot a cloud managed switch that I don't manage.


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