This is going to take us off topic a little but its important to understand why the LUBF should not be used for items that are the FMGs responsibility. I hope the moderators will forgive me.
TinMan wrote:Now you are adding to the conditions. Because another ward chose to go to an organized camp that is really expensive, and we chose to take all the young men on a 50 mile hike where the only real expense was gas for the drivers,
Good for you. However as a scouter I have some strong belief in the scouting program. One of which is the need for organized camp programs. While I have nothing against fifty mile camps I strongly believe that the organized camp is best for the Boy Scout Troop age boys, and high adventure is best for the Varsity and Venture age boys. These are my personal beliefs, based on my 30 years experience as a scouter, others are sure to disagree with me.
TinMan wrote:I don't see why I should give some of my budget allotment to them. Why do you believe that I should? Where is that in the budget guidelines?
Early guidelines stated that some wards may need more funds based on the makeup or the ward. Example wards with more youth may need more funding than wards with more older members.
TinMan wrote:So what is more important? Two new tents for the scouts or 4 new monitors for all to use in class?
Two tents for the scouts, without them you can't have a good outdoor program. You can still teach the lessons of the new program without the monitors.
TinMan wrote: How is it you put more importance on one week of Scout Camp than on lessons they will hear every week in Young Men and Sunday School?
Its not just the one week at camp its the whole scouting program. If you can't keep the boys attention with activities you won't get them to church. If you can't get them to church you won't be very successful in teaching them the principles of the gospel.
Bishops have three strikes against them when it come to keeping boys involved.
1. For the Sabbath, you are saying "I want you here, sitting in church for three hours. And I do mean sitting!"
2. In addition , you are saying " I want you here sitting and also listening." Listening to what? Speeches and lessons that deal with subjects not chosen out of the natural interests of most boys.
3. Not only that, you are asking them to sit and listen for three hours to people giving lessons and speeches that in many instance do not reflect teaching techniques that appeal to boys.
(On my Honor, A guide to Scouting in the church, Thane J. Packer, pg 5 & 6.)
The scouting program off sets these strikes. Its for these reasons I'm so against using budget funds for anything except activities. Let the FMG use the funds provided for the other things.
I suggest you read "On My Honor" it is a great book to help understand the activity arm of the Aaronic Priesthood.