I hear what you're saying, but seriously... here's how it plays out:lajackson wrote:Whether or not you will again receive access, I believe this will provide an opportunity for the counselor in the bishopric who is over your quorum, and who does have access, to rise to the responsibility he has been given as a member of the bishopric.tech3627 wrote:As the councilor in YM I had access to see all the YM in the ward and the ability to send messages to YM and parents through LCR. My access to this information and these abilities is now gone.
YM Adviser/Specialist --> Bishopric Member: Hey, I notice in tools that I don't even have access to a list of boys in the quorum I'm assigned to. I can see the presidency but not the list of the boys.
Bishopric Member --> YW Adviser/Specialist: Yes you do, just look right here, it's here in mine, have you sync'd your tools lately/you might need to reinstall/maybe it's different on and iphone
YM Adviser/Specialist --> Shakes head and walks away, whatever dude.
Several Weeks Go by
Bishopric member --> Adviser/Specialist: Hey, can you get a list of boys together for assignment X
Adviser/Specialist --> Bishopric member: - Bishop, I don't have access to any list, not on LCR, not in Tools, remember I told you about it
Bishopric member --> Adviser/Specialist: Yes you do, just look.... blah, blah, blah
Adviser/Specialist --> Whatever, creates list, leaves a boy off, doesn't spell names right (because he was born before Utah moms started changing the way names are spelled because of pinterest or whatever)
Months go by
Bishopric member --> ALL YW and YM leaders/specialists/advisers: We've discovered that some of you don't have access to tools, or can't get access to all the youth for various reasons. So we've called a specialist and given them a role in LCR/MLS that has acces to perform get all the data, that person will be making a spreadsheet with all the kids names, birthdates, addresses, phone numbers, etc. and we'll distribute them in an email and save it in google drive.
Adviser/Specialist (also the STS): BANGS HEAD ON WALL
I noticed the change here when the Church released the new website - No YW/YM advisers could see a list of the YW or YM in the quorums/organizations they were assigned to. Nobody believed them for a long time in leadership, because, well, they all have access, why wouldn't everyone else, some of them have had access for 10-15 years now, they don't even think twice about how hard this can be for others that the church has decided to create a line of demarcation. This person gets access this person doesn't, etc... at this point, only the Bishopric has access to info about the YM in each quorum, no other advisers/specialists have that access.
I've logged tickets twice now, the first one seemed to have a large number of accompanying tickets, because condescendingly, there was a little sticky-note reminder on the online org/directory that said, get with your quorum secretary. Good Grief, the AP leaders don't even have a secretary anymore. And the only other solution is to break church policy to provide it to the people that need it. It seems a no-brainer to AT LEAST see the LIST of YM/YW in the quorums/orgs that you've been assigned to. But I'm a broken record here.
Keep it the way it is and Adviser/Specialists will get the idea they are't all that vital to the work, that their concerns are not listened to, that because the YWP and the Bishopric still have the lists, they'll be perpetually confused why Advisers/Specialists don't have it and will assume something is wrong, not that the church does it specifically, and the end result is the data will be all over google which we've been trying to avoid in the first place.
And just to be clear, I've been a HUGE advocate of rights/responsiblilies/roles and assignments in MLS/LCR - I danced a jig when Stake Leaders were told to stop trying to micro-manage ward leaders with lists, etc, and to start being SME to the LEADERS, not a 2nd leader to those already led at the ward level, I loved that. I loved that we've been able to use a pretty decent A/A/A model based on callings, I really have, this, however, this --> MAKES NO SENSE in that world. YM Advisers/Specialists are really supposed to rely on Bishopric members to be the 'administrators' of the AP quorums, they have an entire administrative staff that covers most of those things for them already. Why not just release ExecSec/Clerks and assign that to the Bishoprics to 'rise to their responsibility'?
Is anybody there? Does anybody care? Does anybody see... what I see? - John Adams