Kindoo Access Control System

[rknelson]

...FOBs can be turned on and off remotely when callings change. Yes they can be shared with counselors and others needing access for a one time event but now you will inconvenience all leaders in requiring that they go for those one-time events.

Most Fob's and keycards can be duplicated on a small device you can buy that includes 5 fobs and 5 keycards and costs under $10. It only takes a minute to copy one. Some are a little more secure where you need a specific frequency or a specific brand of fob/card, I don't think they are near as secure as Kindoo.

[swigginton]

First, there's no need to arrange to meet for a hand-off for keys or fobs (and trying to get them back). From what I'm reading here, there's ways of assigning a license for a one-time event. When done, you get that license back. No run-around trying to make it happen.

Those are significant benefits of Kindoo vs. fobs/hard keys. Kindoo resources are virtual, rather than physical. You can grant access to someone immediately, with no need to transfer a physical device. You can schedule access expiration, with no need to recover the fob/key. Yes, upon expiration of a temporary license, it's returned to the pool for immediate use elsewhere.

[ELHawkes]

We got the Kindoo system installed yesterday to replace Our Sicunet system, and all of the user callings that were synchronized from LCR have somewhat random descriptions.
Is it possible to do a bulk add to change descriptions the same way it is done for "Bulk Adding or Changing Access Rights"   as described on the manager web page?
https://tech.churchofjesuschrist.org/wi ... rs_in_Bulk

[ELHawkes]

Thank you for your comments. The Stake Kindoo Manager Instructions have been updated with additional information about the calling synchronization. https://tech.churchofjesuschrist.org/wi ... structions. We have updated other materials for FMs but hadn't updated these materials.

Thanks for the updates, this new sentence is very helpful. "The stake can also choose to synchronize access with a calling and then afterwards remove the access for a specific individual."

Our FM contacted us today and we will be getting Kindoo installed Wed this week.
He also provided a list of the callings we chose to sync with LCR, but there was not an option in Sentry to sync the "Stake Technology Specialist" but there was an option for "Stake building Specialist", a calling we didn't know existed.
I don't know if it is possible to get access to the management part of Kindoo prior to having it installed, but we have not received access yet. I find that very frustrating having to go into a new system mostly blind until it is installed and the entire stake loses their electronic access from our current Sicunet system all on the day they switch us to Kindoo. Hopefully that can be better coordinated with other Stakes and some type of training into managing the actual management interface, in the future.

We just got Kindoo yesterday and I found that this does not work.
This is the sentence in the instructions.
The stake can also choose to synchronize access with a calling and then afterwards remove the access for a specific individual.
This is the message when I get when trying to delete a user that was added via Sync from LCR.
User invited by administrator, please contact your site administrator to revoke/edit the user.

https://tech.churchofjesuschrist.org/wi ... d_Callings

[waymana]

User invited by administrator, please contact your site administrator to revoke/edit the user.

The FM will have to enable a setting in the Kindoo site to allow for managers to change the access for those that were granted access by the LCR integration (Sentry) or by an Admin.

On your other question of updating the descriptions. I would advise against changing the descriptions as it makes more work for you. When callings change you will have to update those. What is confusing about the description that is generated from LCR?

[ELHawkes]

User invited by administrator, please contact your site administrator to revoke/edit the user.

The FM will have to enable a setting in the Kindoo site to allow for managers to change the access for those that were granted access by the LCR integration (Sentry) or by an Admin.

On your other question of updating the descriptions. I would advise against changing the descriptions as it makes more work for you. When callings change you will have to update those. What is confusing about the description that is generated from LCR?

Because having the name of the City, and for Stake callings, the name of the city and the State at the beginning of every description that is synced, makes it much more difficult to sort on the Ward name when exporting the user list to a csv file and into a spread sheet to be able to see each ward as a group. Maybe there are other techniques to learn, but I've only had management access to this system for one day now.

What is the setting called that needs to be turned on so that I can delete users that were added via sync, so I can tell my FM what to look for?
Thanks for your assistance, it's much appreciated.

[ELHawkes]

Another question, why is the system setup so that we have to go through the FM to turn on or off which callings get synced? It would be much more convenient for the Stake managers to be able to do that directly. We really don't have any way to verify which callings are synced other than to ask the FM.
I found tonight that the ward music coordinators were auto synced rather than the Stake music coordinators that we had pre-selected in our list given to the FM. Having to go through the FM to clean that up makes for a much more lengthy process.
If there is a way to change and let the Stake managers have access to turn on or off which callings are synced, that would be much nicer and convenient.
Thanks again for the assistance and consideration.

[waymana]

Another question, why is the system setup so that we have to go through the FM to turn on or off which callings get synced? It would be much more convenient for the Stake managers to be able to do that directly. We really don't have any way to verify which callings are synced other than to ask the FM.
I found tonight that the ward music coordinators were auto synced rather than the Stake music coordinators that we had pre-selected in our list given to the FM. Having to go through the FM to clean that up makes for a much more lengthy process.
If there is a way to change and let the Stake managers have access to turn on or off which callings are synced, that would be much nicer and convenient.

Currently the system that is used to synchronize the callings is only available to FMs as that is their tool to also administer Kindoo, setup sites, and purchase licenses. In the future, we are hoping that the stake and wards will have greater control over which callings are synchronized.

[ELHawkes]

Turning off Auto Sync between Kndoo and LCR
If we were to choose to have auto sync turned off for any or all callings that are currently enabled, would turning off the auto sync between Kindoo and LCR automatically delete those callings/users out of Kindoo, or would they remain in Kindoo for manual management?

[davesudweeks]

Currently the system that is used to synchronize the callings is only available to FMs as that is their tool to also administer Kindoo, setup sites, and purchase licenses.

This makes sense when we remember that Wards and Stakes don't "own" the buildings. Wards and Stakes are tenants in buildings they are assigned to meet in. I have seen many cases were units were moved to another building for their meetings (for various reasons - sometimes temporary and sometimes permanent).